87 Bronco II project

[Couch Slouch]

Might as well start a thread for this thing.I bought it from the original owner.I was the first person to ever take it offroad or put it in 4wd.Everything except paint is pretty good condition.Since i got it ive added=30" BFG a/t,optima battery,custom intake,Accel wires,3" superlift coils,front bumper,3 100w procomp lights and 2 55w hellas.
Next on the list is 33" a/ts and 8.8 and D35 from a explorer.Im not going to lift it anymore than 3 inchs so ill use fiberglass fenders to clear the 33"s.Keep the CG low as possible.
http://www.supermotors.org/getfile/337935/fullsize/jasper%20093.jpg
http://www.supermotors.org/getfile/337943/fullsize/jasper%20092.jpg
http://www.supermotors.org/getfile/318844/fullsize/misc%201.jpg

[Blanco]

Wow Doooode, Looks better than I expected. :m2c:

That Air Cleaner looks Cool!

Looking forward to seeing it in action next weekend! :13_4_9:

[Couch Slouch]

Thank you!Its nothing special at all but i flogged it pretty good this weekend and i was pleasently surprised at how good it did.I made it up some pretty nasty rutted inclines with barely any tire slippage,with a locker and bigger tires this will work well.:cheers:

[87BIIXLT4x4]

nice ride... u said 3" superlift coils up front, what are u running in the rear to level it out?



also just some helpful info... if i remember right the BW1350 has a low range of 2.48:1

[Couch Slouch]

nice ride... u said 3" superlift coils up front, what are u running in the rear to level it out?



also just some helpful info... if i remember right the BW1350 has a low range of 2.48:1
Rear is stock right now.But the front end was lower before so now the rear is only about 1" lower than the front with coils.Eventually i will get a duff lift or c/t beams and deavers but for now its okay.

[Blanco]

So are you running that wanna-be pre-runner look? :rolleyes:

[87BIIXLT4x4]

Rear is stock right now.But the front end was lower before so now the rear is only about 1" lower than the front with coils.Eventually i will get a duff lift or c/t beams and deavers but for now its okay.


i suggest doing the Stage 2 3" James Duff ...... with the Dual Shock Mount Coil Buckets up front ... HOO-YA! and long link traction bars... and eventualy the dual rear shock mounts.....


also i suggest replacing the orig body bushings while your under their... solves problems later......



looking good though .. im in process of getting money for my tires... im buying them from GOODYEAR 1 tire at a time lol...

heres my build thread Project Knuckle Buster. (http://thewebwheeler.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18)

[Couch Slouch]

I here you on buying the tires one at a time...Ive done the same thing myself and will probably do it again for my 33s.
Oh yeah,Cam in my opinion its okay to use fiberglass to make room for larger tires.Im doing it so i dont have to use a drop bracket.Using a drop bracket and 'glass would be wannabe...In fact all the 7s trucks use glass with c/t beams,it looks fine if you get the small flare.

[Blanco]

Please Dont mis-understand, I was'nt bashing you in anyway...
I was just asking.. :shrug:

[Couch Slouch]

Yeah i know its all good.My approach with this truck is to fit 33s with lifting the least amount possible.Which means trimming the fenders or 'glass.Besides my experiance on trails tells me that a large lift with short wheelbase means no bueno.

[87BIIXLT4x4]

theres a company out there (cant remember the name) that makes Pre-Runner style Fiberglass fenders that look really cool and allow a hell of alot more room then the stock fenders..... i just cant remember the name of the company..




just a suggestion ... alont the bottome of the BII all around... bout 3"s along the trim u should Rhino Line it ... looks pretty good and it helps advoid dings

[Couch Slouch]

theres a company out there (cant remember the name) that makes Pre-Runner style Fiberglass fenders that look really cool and allow a hell of alot more room then the stock fenders..... i just cant remember the name of the company..




just a suggestion ... alont the bottome of the BII all around... bout 3"s along the trim u should Rhino Line it ... looks pretty good and it helps advoid dings
Yeah thats a good idea i might do that.I know that glassworks makes a 3.5 inch flared fender.With larger,wider tires and the wider explorer beams it should look good.

[87BIIXLT4x4]

Explore beams are not that much wider than the d28 ... only bout 1 to 2 inches
if that...

[87BIIXLT4x4]

i found that website.... its Perry.....




Perry's Fab & Fiber (http://www.perrysfabnfiber.com/pages/bronco.html)



you'd want the kit for the ranger....


http://www.perrysfabnfiber.com/vehicle_imgs/83ranger.jpg

[Couch Slouch]

Yup,those are the style i want.

[Couch Slouch]

Paid a visit to the junkyard today...
Explorer 8.8
http://www.supermotors.org/getfile/343055/fullsize/jasper%20088.jpg
and some explorer leafs.
http://www.supermotors.org/getfile/343056/fullsize/jasper%20089.jpg
Im gonna put some 4.56 and a locker in the 8.8 before i install it.But ill probably put the leafs on tommorrow.Hopefully they will level out the truck.

[Blanco]

What rear end does your BII have in it now? :6:

[Couch Slouch]

What rear end does your BII have in it now? :6:
7.5" 28 spline.This one has 31 splines and a much larger ring gear.This will be plenty strong for my b2.
Im not sure if its a posi though or what ratio it has?Im researching it right now.

[87BIIXLT4x4]

YOU BASTARD! .. hope u got all the Spring Bolts EYE bolts... also remember to relocate the Spring Perchs and Shock Mounts for Spring Over

why 4.56s? planing on 32's? or higher? yah the 28 Spline 7,5 is kinda weak..


look for the ID TAG on the Diffe Cover....


can i have your leafs?

[Couch Slouch]

I hope Roy doesnt mind but im going to have a crap load of questions for him.:confused: I have been finding alot of good info on B2.org.Now i regret not taking the explorer d-shaft...:verymad:

[87BIIXLT4x4]

lol ..... go for it man ... im open for Q&A... if u have NEXTEL i can shoot u my nextel number or u shoot me yours and if u have Q&A u can hit me up

[Couch Slouch]

Well i tried researching the code on the tag but the numbers dont seem to match any of the info i found?Ill keep looking...
I plan on running 32's.As far as the leafs go...If and when i find some deavers you can have them for the cost of shipping.

[87BIIXLT4x4]

for 32's 2.5 -3" lift and minor fender triming...


whats the code on the tag?

[Couch Slouch]

Dood thanks for helping me out...i appreciate the info very much.:7: The tag reads:S622B 27 88 1D03.Ive found two different sites with axle codes.None of the codes match to mine though!Weird...

[87BIIXLT4x4]

what year did this come off of?



and why did u grab the 8.8 and not do the smart thing and get the D35 first!!!!!

[Couch Slouch]

what year did this come off of?



and why did u grab the 8.8 and not do the smart thing and get the D35 first!!!!!
Ha Ha i knew this would come up....Let me explain.
The last time i went(two-three weeks ago)there were three 4x4 Xs with D35s.So i went today with every intent to get a D35.So when i arrived they were gone!I was in shock!The only thing they had was a 2wd X.So i figured i might as well take the 8.8?I was a little bummed because i always planned on getting a disc brake 8.8 too...But i didnt want to leave empty handed.The more i think about it though i think ill be happy with the drums.They are bigger than the B2 drums so its still considered a upgrade IMO.

[87BIIXLT4x4]

hmmmmm i dont think your gonna get much lift out of the 2wd leafs.... just a helpful hint, when u do the leaf swap, on the orig BII spring pack, take the main leaf out cut the eyes off it and round it, insert as the #2 Leaf on the Exploder Leaf Pack.....

im guess cause its a 2wd Rear Diff, its gonna be OPEN 3.73 Pig........ no L/S

GL Man...... im hunting around for that TAG ID INFO for you as well.....

if i cant find it, suggest u call FORD and ask them .... what year was the Rig? 91-94? ...

[Couch Slouch]

Well the door jamb tag was missing so i dont know what year it was...I do know for a fact it was 91-94 though,it did have I-beams on the front.Its kind of a bummer if its no posi and the leafs dont get me any lift,but overall im still happy because the 31 spline 8.8 is still a lot stronger than the 7.5....
Im still wondering what happened to the other Xs that were there before?They were prime parts trucks with D35s and disc brake 8.8s.I guess i shouldve acted sooner.

[87BIIXLT4x4]

2 things either happen to the other X's



1: their time in the veiwing room was up and they were finaly burried,

or

2: someone baught the carcusses



again any questions im happy to assit

[87BIIXLT4x4]

after further investigation, and talking to a friend over at BII.org, turns out that it looks like that 8.8 is @ 3.27 LS

[Couch Slouch]

after further investigation, and talking to a friend over at BII.org, turns out that it looks like that 8.8 is @ 3.27 LS
Thanks Roy i appreciate it!I will buy you a beer or two if i go to pismo!

[87BIIXLT4x4]

Thanks Roy i appreciate it!I will buy you a beer or two if i go to pismo!


sorry i dont drink...... u can buy me a Pepsi or 2 though:pianodance:

[lightnin]

Good looking BII. Keep up the projects. Hows the regearing comming?

[Couch Slouch]

Good looking BII. Keep up the projects. Hows the regearing comming?
Slow,funds are kind of low right now.Anyways next week im ordering my 4.56s.$119.00 from CompleteOffroad.com.
Then i just need to make up my mind on what driveshaft to use?I am setting a goal to have this thing installed within the next couple weeks though so ill keep you guys posted.

[Blanco]

:1a_spcartman:

[87BIIXLT4x4]

Slow,funds are kind of low right now.Anyways next week im ordering my 4.56s.$119.00 from CompleteOffroad.com.
Then i just need to make up my mind on what driveshaft to use?I am setting a goal to have this thing installed within the next couple weeks though so ill keep you guys posted.


get the double cardeon (spelling?) or the heavy duty all metal CV style shaft from JamesDuff....

[Couch Slouch]

Well,the 8.8 is installed.Just have to finish welding the perchs and connect the brake lines.Will be test driving it in about 1 hour.I have pics but stupidmotors is f'up so they probably wont work.

[Blanco]

I've got SuperMotors working for me finally :rolleyes:

Can you show us that last carnage that you did'nt post from Miller Jeep trail?

Glad to hear your fixing it up Dude!!:cheers:

Cant wait to see the Pics? :spaz_smilie:
is the 8.8 wider then what it came with? :16: :16: :16:

[87BIIXLT4x4]

8.8 should be about an 1" wider just like the D35

[Couch Slouch]

Here are some pics.
The first pic shows the smaller flange that i salvaged off another car so i could use my stock driveshaft.
The other pics are teardown and the new axle 85% installed.
Ok,here is the lowdown.Everything went very smooth until the end.I realized i had forgotten to buy new springplates so i had to take the ones off my F-150.Which sucks because now i cant roll it in or out of the garage until i get another set.So i measure around ten times to find center of axle and tack weld the perches on with correct pinion angle.I purposley put a very small weld so i could cut it off and change if nessacery.I put the wheels on and noticed the axle is about 1/2" off center!No big deal i can break the tack and reweld but ill have to do it tommorrow.Its getting dark.
I did drive it around the block and everything worked perfect.Just need to re-center and finish welding.

[87BIIXLT4x4]

looking good...


as far as perchs go u could of taken the measurements off the 7.5 and transfered it to the 8.8....

did u put the Xploder springs when u did the 8.8? and did u relocat the shock mounts?




when u find a D35 i get dibs on it lol

[Blanco]

Nice work! :cheers:

[Couch Slouch]

Thanks guys...:cheers:
Oh yeah i forgot to mention,i did not put the shock mounts on yet.I have new ones but after all this work i dont really want to use the cheesy shocks i have now.I think im just going to drive without shocks for a week or so until i can get some better shocks.Maybe some bilsteins or s.a.w.'s.Ill need the shock in my possesion so i can find the right spot to weld them.I only live about 10 miles from work so its not a big deal.
On the other hand...the f-150 springplates i had to use have nice shock mounts welded to them already.And i do have those kings...HMMMMM....
One more thing,the 2wd explorer springs wouldve lowered my truck so that was a total waste of money...Live and learn i guess.

[87BIIXLT4x4]

take the leafs and put in your current pack ... add lift that way cheap ..... take main leaf and 2nd leaf out of explorer springs and round them off and slide them in the bii pack

[Couch Slouch]

Well after driving around with no shocks for a week i broke down and bought some cheezy pro-comps...Got the mounts welded up.Everything works great except...
1.I overfilled the rearend so its leaking:asshat_:
2.Parking break not hooked up yet.Need a new cable.
3.Brakes work fine but not as good as i thought they should.i need to replace the pads and maybe get the drums turned...As of right now i have zero money.Next weekend ill do it.
I picked up some used 'glass fenders for the front(SUPER CHEAP!) and bought ONE BFG 33-12.50-15.Buying them one at a time.lol.The tires will fit no problem in the front with glass,but ill have to cut the rear fenders.Should be interesting...

[Blanco]

1.I overfilled the rearend so its leaking:asshat_:
:14:


I picked up some used 'glass fenders for the front(SUPER CHEAP!)
:awesome_dude:

bought ONE BFG 33-12.50-15.Buying them one at a time.lol.
:HistericalSmiley:

[Couch Slouch]

Yeah im kinda learning all this drivetrain stuff as i go.Overfilling it was DUMB but at least it didnt damage anything...And let me tell you my new BFG looks beautiful sitting in my room.I cant wait to get four more and get'em mounted.
So is anyone planning any trail runs soon?Im itching to get out.Nothing too hardcore until i get a locker though...How about the weekend after next?

[Blanco]

Yeah im kinda learning all this drivetrain stuff as i go.Overfilling it was DUMB but at least it didnt damage anything...And let me tell you my new BFG looks beautiful sitting in my room.I cant wait to get four more and get'em mounted. :HistericalSmiley: :worthlessw-opics:


So is anyone planning any trail runs soon?Im itching to get out.Nothing too hardcore until i get a locker though...How about the weekend after next?
Around here where I live its been triple digits for about a week now! http://bestsmileys.com/hot/3.gif 112 Degrees yesterday!
Seems "Almost" to hot to go Wheeling..

On my next day off I hope to be fixing up some things on my rigs though.

[87BIIXLT4x4]

hey terry, looking good...


question ... do u still have thsoe LEAF SPRING EYE BOLTS off the leafs from that u jacked from the exploder?


if so can i have the bolts/ubolts off it? their should be 4 of them

[Couch Slouch]

hey terry, looking good...


question ... do u still have thsoe LEAF SPRING EYE BOLTS off the leafs from that u jacked from the exploder?


if so can i have the bolts/ubolts off it? their should be 4 of them
Hmmm...i am 95% sure i still have them.I generally never throw bolts away unless they are stripped or broken.
Let me see if i have them(probably do).Shoot me a PM with your Addy and theyre yours.
EDIT=Im sure i have the eye mount bolts but i know i dont have the u-bolts...i had to take the u-bolts off my f-150 to mount the 8.8.But if you want the eye bolts you can have'em.

[Couch Slouch]

Nothing better than new rubber.I dont know what it is but i love the look,smell basically everything about new tires.I should open a tire shop.I need three more(+1 for spare)So four.Got a ways to go but it'll be worth it.

[87BIIXLT4x4]

soo Terry.... u got a BFG 33x12.50 i can barrow? hehe


im getting ready to buy a set of 15x8 rims with 3.75" backspacing.... and then looking to grab some 29x10.50 TSL Swampers (possibly) or most likely the GoodYear 30x10.50 A/T SA's or MTRS

[Blanco]

i love the look,smell basically everything about new tires.
:HistericalSmiley: & I thought I was the only one that LOVES the smell of new Tires!! :cheers:

[Couch Slouch]

I wrote your addy down.Ill see if i can get them out this week.Maybe tommorrow?I dont see why not.
As far as tires go...I know your BII is in good condition but why not just cut the fenders and run some 32 or 33"?The 30" i have are almost brand new and it wasnt enough...Im just saying get what you want the first time and save some money.I am a little iffy about cutting the rear q-panels but i know it would be a mistake to buy 31s,then 32s,blah,blah.I figured F-it im gonna make the 33s work somehow...Just get the 32' or 33's.Will be better in the long run.:m2c:

[87BIIXLT4x4]

I wrote your addy down.Ill see if i can get them out this week.Maybe tommorrow?I dont see why not.
As far as tires go...I know your BII is in good condition but why not just cut the fenders and run some 32 or 33"?The 30" i have are almost brand new and it wasnt enough...Im just saying get what you want the first time and save some money.I am a little iffy about cutting the rear q-panels but i know it would be a mistake to buy 31s,then 32s,blah,blah.I figured F-it im gonna make the 33s work somehow...Just get the 32' or 33's.Will be better in the long run.:m2c:



i plan doing alot of other work before i lift it to the point of 32"s or a real lift...


i got alot of interrior electrical to take care of as well as a few Mechanical things ... but the Electrical out weigh..... and im trying to not-chop as much as possible.... im trying to keep my body as good as possible not all hacked.

[Couch Slouch]

Cool.Im hoping i can cut the rear without it looking hack.It probably will though lol.Im just trying to stay away from the whole 6" lift thing.Looks goofy and un-wheelable IMO.Low CG is our friend when it comes to off-roading.
Besides with a 3" lift or 10" lift axle clearance is the same...

[87BIIXLT4x4]

yah .. i fergot to mention on the 8.8 ...watch your ground clearance... its a little less then the 7.5 pig ..... might get hung a bit .. would suggest some sort of diff guards or sliders.

[Couch Slouch]

:HistericalSmiley: & Ithought I was the only one that LOVES the smell of new Tires!! :cheers:
No way dood...Everytime i walk into the spare bedroom im greeted with the awesome aroma of new rubber.I almost want to keep it there.I must have some kind of fetish but i love new tires....Its a shame you have to tear them up...

[87BIIXLT4x4]

I must have some kind of fetish



hey hey hey now........ keep your pervisons to yourself













however u can take it to the 18+ section lol

[Blanco]

I must have some kind of fetish but i love new tires..
I've wondered to myself if thats how a rubber fetish starts :HistericalSmiley:

[Couch Slouch]

Terry... Got the bolts in today.... thanx alot ...:hug: your a life savor...
Cool.Bummer about the nuts but i looked and looked....

[Blanco]

its kool.. i will end up replacing the nuts anyhooters.... i dont like torquing nuts that already have been...
& the bolts are ok to keep retorquing?

The bolts stretch & stuff...:m2c:

[Couch Slouch]

Alright i shouldnt be posting but im buzzed...Leaving in the morning for my D35....Willing to drive all over san diego county to find it.Not a sure thing but im crossing fingers.If i do Fiund one then its going to Fantelli as soon as i have some cash.Im reasonably sure ill find one,lets see hoiw it pans out tommorrow...

[Blanco]

I'm assuming that your hitting a bunch of junk yards.. :shrug:

[Couch Slouch]

Yeah,the one by my house is dry these days,so im going to check out some other ones.

[Blanco]

Happy hunting! :cheers:

But as I told you I can hook you up with a full exploder pretty cheap ( For parts ) with a good running 4.0 :shrug:

[Couch Slouch]

Well,i just called everywhere...no D35s.So how much is that explorer Cam?

[Blanco]

Well,i just called everywhere...no D35s.So how much is that explorer Cam?
I'll have to look into it...
I was working with him at the time that I told you .
But I dont have his number so I'll get back to you. :)

[Blanco]

I say parts assuming that you wanna build the BII

My friend did mention that who ever buys it has to be very honest about the registration , because of who he got it from...
I'm thinking of encouraging him to get a junked title on it...

anyways it appears to be in good running shape ( he never drove it much it was purchased as Picture car for a job his brother did)

but he did drive it home & stuff & it seemed to run great..

Accordding to roy it should have a 4.0 & a D35 & a 8.8 & it has an automatic Trans..
& Roy said the 4.0 just drops right into the BII. :cheers:

he was gonna try to fix it up some but figures if someone wants it the way it sits he'd take $300.00 for it...

I think that would be a great deal An engine & d35 & trans rear etc etc....

It would cost more I figure @ any junk yard for all the parts you'll get on this thing. :m2c:

[Blanco]

does it run? does it drive? and what kind of title issues is it?
Yes It runs & drives good according to what I am told .
& the Title issues is that he dont want to have who ever buys it Fuk over the last registered owners due to the fact that its one of their families employers..
If you dont transfer it right away & get tickets or what ever it goes back to people that effect the families income! :nunu:
& that why I'm thinking about telling to go get a junk title so its sold for parts to you BII guys... :shrug:

[Couch Slouch]

Sounds like a great deal but im not really interested in a engine swap right now.I dont really have room for another truck so ill have to pass on it.

[Couch Slouch]

Well no D35 today.I did pick up two outlaw II rims though.What i found interesting about these wheels was they are drilled for a 5/8 stud but the lug nuts have some sort of sleeve on them so they'll mount on a normal 1/2 stud.So im going to run them as is for a while then upgrade to 5/8 all around.Damn snowball effect taking place here.
BTW,i did find a couple d35 but i chose not to buy them.I found=
1.one pair of beams with diff but no knuckles,spindles,brakes,shafts for $150
2.A complete setup hub to hub for $350.
I didnt bite because im sure i can find a whole setup for around $200.Just have to be patient.

[Blanco]

2.A complete setup hub to hub for $350.

Wow!,
I can get you the whole truck with lots of extras for less than that. :rolleyes:

[Couch Slouch]

Okay,i have absolutely no room to keep it or part it out.Let me talk to my friend to see if i can keep it at his house for a week or two.If he agrees i will buy it FOR SURE.I will will register it right awy too.You have my word on that.

[Blanco]

Are you thinking of keeping it, or part it out? :6:

[Couch Slouch]

Id part it out.But i dont think its going to happen...I talked to a couple people today and they were interested in it.BUT,they didnt like the fact that i wanted the front suspension.The most realistic scenario i can think of is if someone bought my 78 bronco for $300 then i can buy the exploder and park it in our only spot.Hell,even if someone gave me $150 for the bronco id take a loss on it.
Its funny how it works aint it?When you need a part or need to get rid of a part no one has it or wants it?I couldnt even give my bronco away a few months ago but it has parts worth $$$$$.When i didnt need a D35 there were plenty,now they'er gone.Weird....

[Blanco]

Its funny how it works aint it?When you need a part or need to get rid of a part no one has it or wants it?I couldnt even give my bronco away a few months ago but it has parts worth $$$$$.When i didnt need a D35 there were plenty,now they'er gone.Weird....
:hesaid: Yeah thats been my deal all my life. :rolleyes:

[Couch Slouch]

Well in preparation for the new 33"s i put a 2" lift block in today.Ghey i know but its just temporary.Should have all the tires next week.
I also welded up the rear diff today.I now fear u-turns.lol.Tommorrow im taking it to the dirt to test it out.Theres a hill nearby that i cannot climb without 4wd normally...Im willing to bet ill make it up in 2wd tommorrow.We'll see how long it holds up.When i get my 4:56s im throwing a spool in there anyways,so it only has to last about a month or so.

[Couch Slouch]

These are the wheels im going with.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/Picture.jpg
Temporary blocks.They were damn cheap so whatever.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/Picture001.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/Picture002.jpg
Welded diff.With the gutless 2.9L it should not break.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/Picture002.jpg

[Blanco]

:cheers: Glad to see how your project is comming along. :awesome_dude:

[Couch Slouch]

FAWK wrong pic.Ill try again.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/Picture005.jpg

[Couch Slouch]

would suggest getting the gears before u put the 33's in ... your gonna snap that D28...

and with the low gearing, you take a chance of the A4LD puking its guts...



looking good otherwise
I have a 5 speed manuel.So im not worried about the tranny.Tires go on next weekend,gears are gonna have to wait until i have the cash to buy the tools needed.Gonna do it myself.I plan on snapping the D28 anyways,it doesnt have any resale value so im gonna wheel the piss out of it close to home until it breaks or i get a D35.The only thing im worried about is breaking the rear carrier...We'll see how long the lincoln locker holds up.Ive already made my mind up that the lockers available are too much $$$$$.So if the shiat grenades im getting a spool.

[Couch Slouch]

Took it out today...No breakage.Works awesome!Heres a few pics.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/OFF-ROAD%20TRIPS/Picture008.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/OFF-ROAD%20TRIPS/Picture012.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/OFF-ROAD%20TRIPS/Picture013.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/OFF-ROAD%20TRIPS/Picture009.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/OFF-ROAD%20TRIPS/Picture015-1.jpg
And some new body damage.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/OFF-ROAD%20TRIPS/Picture006.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/OFF-ROAD%20TRIPS/Picture007.jpg

[Couch Slouch]

awsome.... look at the flexxy flexxy ......



you'd be right to cut the front skirt and rear skirt at that line.... approves approach and departure..
Yep,the rear quarter is getting trimmed.I fawked up the other side on the Miller Jeep Trail so they are both getting deleted.Probably toss the rear bumper too.

[Blanco]

you'd be right to cut the front skirt and rear skirt at that line.... approves approach and departure..
He'd still have his bumpers & frame rail etc interfearing with the angle of witch you speak. :rolleyes:
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/OFF-ROAD%20TRIPS/Picture006.jpg

Looking good terry!
Glad your happy with it!
I've been thinking more & more about a spool as well..

Funny you say your gonna stick to the easier local trails, But the damage looks worse than when you hit the harder trails.. :eusa_doh: DOH!

[Couch Slouch]

Spool is the only way to go in my opinion now...The detroits are badass but they cost $$$$$$$$$$$$.And they arent fully locked so F'em.It really dosent make that big a difference in the street neither...You could hardly tell it was welded 90% of the time.But you could sure tell off-road.The best mod ive done so far.

[Blanco]

nah... the frame rails and bumpers actualy dont get in the way that much, not as bad as the fender skirts doo
:jerkit:

[Blanco]

Spool is the only way to go in my opinion now...The detroits are badass but they cost $$$$$$$$$$$$.And they arent fully locked so F'em.It really dosent make that big a difference in the street neither...You could hardly tell it was welded 90% of the time.But you could sure tell off-road.The best mod ive done so far.
Well a guy I met today said he swapped to a spool because his wife would not drive his Sammy with the Lock-rite ( Same as a detroit) But now that he has a spool his wife loves it..

Its much more predictable than a Detroit..
I know when I had mine it would engage & disengage at will & was hard to get use too.. :m2c:

[Couch Slouch]

Not to mention the fact that they cost $500-600 plus...I spent about $15.00 in oil/gasket maker.A good spool is about $200 bux.A much better value than a detroit.

[Blanco]

Not to mention the fact that they cost $500-600 plus...I spent about $15.00 in oil/gasket maker.A good spool is about $200 bux.A much better value than a detroit.
Well I know this is your Bronco 2 thread but FYI Sammy lock-rites are about $180.00 & spools are about $100.00 from what I'm told.. :14:

Either way The more I think about it the more I want a spool & either a lockrite or L/S up front.

So tell us how much time did you spend street driving it like that?
tell us all the Plus'es & minus'es... http://bestsmileys.com/listening/1.gif

[Couch Slouch]

I only have about 45 miles on it.Which probably means theres about 5 semi-hard miles off-road.I did beat it pretty good so i feel that it wont fail...
On the street you cant really tell except for U-turns and such...Overall its not a big deal and worth the effort so far.Im gonna beat it up a little more next weekend at the night race.

[Blanco]

Yeah I have no doubt of its off road ability..

I'm more curious about its on road manners? :6:

Will you be driving this to work during the week? :shrug:

[Couch Slouch]

Yep,really it doesnt even effect your street driving the only time you can tell is when youre in a parking lot and you have to make 180% turns...
But on youre 95% street driving?No problem,pretty much the same as open diffs...

[Blanco]

Yep,really it doesnt even effect your street driving the only time you can tell is when youre in a parking lot and you have to make 180% turns...
But on youre 95% street driving?No problem,pretty much the same as open diffs...
I find that very hard to believe & thats why I'm asking if you'll be driving this back & forth to work to hear a further experienced review? :shrug:

Thanks! :cheers:

[Couch Slouch]

Yes i will be driving it to work.It really does not make any diff except for in a parking lot where you might have to make a 180% turn...I aint lying to you!It really only makes a diff(no pun intended) in parking lots and tight situations.Honestly i would do it again in a heartbeat...Pros outweigh the cons by farrrr.....

[Blanco]

:humm_smilie: I'll be paying very close attention to your Lincoln locker reviews.. :16:

[Couch Slouch]

Well i guess the best way to explain it is like this=
Lets say that it takes three full turns of your steering wheel to full lock making a tight u-turn.
Now any turn that you can make with only turning the wheel ONE full turn(basically 90% of street driveing)you cant even tell.
Any turn that reqiures Two turns of the wheel you can feel the truck want to go sthraight and a little resistance in the steering wheel,but no tire chirps or any funny noises.Not a big deal at all.
Now when you come to a u-turn or a very sharp over 90 deg turn that would reqiure you to turn the wheel 2 1/2 or three turns then you can really feel the resistance in the steering wheel and the tires start to chirp.Still not really a big deal but people look at you funny lol.
I hope that made sense its the best way i can explain it.I think its fine and the people that say dont use a spool on the street probably never even driven a spool equiped truck.


That being said,i want to point out some important points.
1.I very much like the idea of getting a spool.The welded diff is only temporary.I still fear the cast steel carrier may break someday.
2.I have not tested it in the rain/snow.When i do it may change my opinion a bit.
3.I only have 60 miles on it as of today so i dont have a opinion on the tire wear issues yet.
Overall i say a spool is the way to go but a welded diff will suffice for a couple months.

[Blanco]

If you get a chance too hit some mountain roads with lots of turns like alot of the roads I have to deal with on my way to wheeling spots I'd like to get your thoughts on that.

Dale(79F150) runs a spool in the back of his F150 & iirc he loves it..:shrug:

[Couch Slouch]

If you get a chance too hit some mountain roads with lots of turns like alot of the roads I have to deal with on my way to wheeling spots I'd like to get your thoughts on that.

Dale(79F150) runs a spool in the back of his F150 & iirc he loves it..:shrug:
Hey man did you read my post?Since when did you have to turn the wheel two turns on a road?Seriously the only time it matters is in parking lots.Any road you wont tell the difference.I dont care how winding the road is....It aint no big deal!
BTW=Night race in lucerne is on.If you dont have to work we should meet up.Will be good times.:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

[Couch Slouch]

Damn...driveshaft CV seal broke and puked out all the grease.Makes a really loud CLACK CLACK CLACK sound...no spares are availeable at the junkyard so im ordering a upgraded shaft from MOUNTAIN eng. on friday.So i have to drive short distances with it till it arrives in the mail.
Im pretty sure its gonna fail so luckily i have someone i can carpool with.


I love my BII,But i have honestly never heard of any vehicle that needed to be modified so extensively just to run 33"s.Ford definitly did some things wrong with these poor trucks!

[Blanco]

What ever happened to the F150? :6:
Cant you drive that meanwhile?

[Couch Slouch]

What ever happened to the F150? :6:
Cant you drive that meanwhile?
Yes/no at the same time.
F-150 has no rear shocks,no bedsides(i,e. no tail lights)
No interior or dash at all and the seats arent mounted yet.
When i took the rear leaf pack apart i found that the center bolt was broken so i need one of those.

So yeah i could ghetto rig the seats and duct tape the tail lights to the rear frame and get the bolt for the leafs but...im just going to see if i can do some kind of next day air shipping with the driveshaft and car pool to work.

Anyways im pretty happy with the way the BII works so...Just a few minor things like driveshaft and 4:56 gears front and rear and im going to stop messing with it and finish the F-150. I PROMISE!

[Blanco]

Wow!
I did'nt realize you were doing all that to the onefidy.

You should update its thread.

Yeah I suppose I'd just car pool it too.

I understand your having fun with the BII right now tho..
Kinda like me with the Sammy. :cheers:

[Couch Slouch]

HeHe...its kinda exactly the same thing as you with the Sammy.I spent so much time(2 1/2 years) messing with the F-150 i just felt like something different.Ive rebuilt the F-1 3 different times!!!
But now i think im ready to jump back in.Im putting the D35 off UNTIL i break the D28.THEN i will replace it.The F-1 is a much better truck anyways and deserves more attention.

If you cant tell,the driveshaft thing kinda PO's me.The DS that comes in a BII dosent even look strong enough for a VW bug and it probably isnt....Ford rules but geezzz they sure did cut corners every now and then...

But i still love it and im keeping it.Im actually kinda happy that im getting the upgraded 'shaft.I just keep trying to not think that in 99% of vehicles you wouldnt even need one...go figure...

[Blanco]

Ford rules but geezzz they sure did cut corners every now and then...
:HistericalSmiley: Yeah they did...
But hey thats all the better for the aftermarket industry. :)

[Couch Slouch]

Well no pics but this is kinda a update...

I went back to the junkyard and found a stock shaft.That should last me a week or two until i get my custom one.

I also went to a local drivleline shop that was recommended...Ordered a double cardon shaft with all top of the line spicer u-joints.These guys apparently know offroad stuff and i was lead to believe they are building me a stout 'shaft.I hope so because it cost a arm and a leg!

I also have to cut of all the spring perchs and shock mounts on the axle to make the pinion angle right for a double cardon(sp?)So hopefully all this cash and work will result in a driveline that will last the life of the BII and then some...I'll have some install pics next weekend.

[Blanco]

Whats a double cardon :shrug:

[Couch Slouch]

It has two u-joints on the front of the shaft instead of one.Basically it has two flex points on the front of the shaft.This is good for a number of reasons,but it might not be nessacery with my particular truck.But i got it anyways as i was told it would perform better and last longer.

The only thing that sucks is i have to basically remount the 8.8.Buy new spring perchs and shock mounts and cut the old **** off.Starting from square one.

But its okay it should last the life of the truck.One less thing to worry about in the middle of nowhere.

[Couch Slouch]

Heres the new shaft.Im happy with the way it came out.I should have a ton of install pics this weekend as well as another little upgrade i plan on doing.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/Picture083.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/Picture082.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/Picture084.jpg

[87BIIXLT4x4]

u should chunk that composite p.o.s. get one of the James Duff Cardeon shafts

[Couch Slouch]

Ummm,what???That aint the stock shaft in those pics....
This was built by a local shop and is the same if not better than the JD shaft.

[Couch Slouch]

The word Roy is thinking of is dual-cardon.Which is exactly what the second pic describes.

[Blanco]

So what the latest on your Lincoln Locker Review? :humm_smilie:
How is it on sweeping fwy turns?
or windy canyon or?????

Have you grown to love it or starting to not like it so much? :6:

[Couch Slouch]

So what the latest on your Lincoln Locker Review? :humm_smilie:
How is it on sweeping fwy turns?
or windy canyon or?????

Have you grown to love it or starting to not like it so much? :6:
Haha.Ok ill try my best...
Makes absolutely no difference on the freeway,you cannott tell no matter how many turns there are.

ONLY makes a difference in parking lots and doing u-turns.I like it personally but i must admit in certain parking lots it makes a lot of noise and it atracts a lot of attention.

I still plan on getting a spool when i regear it.So yeah that means im happy with it.The worst part is people looking at you when your in a parking lot.

[Blanco]

The worst part is people looking at you when your in a parking lot.
As long as they're not looking at you like this. :14:

[Couch Slouch]

Well,thats the kicker...Most people dont know that youre locked...They just think that youre shiat is broken.

[Couch Slouch]

And BTW you need to post some pics of where you got youre new avitar.
The wheeling pics is what keeps this site going.We Wanna see'em.LOL.

On another note...My BII project is coming to a close...Just need to install my driveshaft and get some 4:56/spool and im done.Im happy with the way it is.So im thinking about building the 78 bronco i have a little bit...Hmmmm

[87BIIXLT4x4]

i love it when you turn in a Parkinglot Locked..... can "burn" rubber with out wasting thread....

[Blanco]

And BTW you need to post some pics of where you got youre new avitar.
The wheeling pics is what keeps this site going.We Wanna see'em.LOL.
Posted.
http://thewebwheeler.com/forums/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=980


On another note...My BII project is coming to a close...Just need to install my driveshaft and get some 4:56/spool and im done.Im happy with the way it is.So im thinking about building the 78 bronco i have a little bit...Hmmmm

Thats gonna make 3 Project for you aint it? http://bestsmileys.com/thinking/4.gif

[Couch Slouch]

Well,more like two projects because the BII will be done.Not gonna spend any more money on it except for maintence and maybe paint the fenders.

[Blanco]

Well,more like two projects because the BII will be done.Not gonna spend any more money on it except for maintence and maybe paint the fenders.
Yeah riiiiiggggghhhhhtttt!!! ;)

[87BIIXLT4x4]

i can think of a few things the BII still needs.!

1:Snorkle
2: OD Green or Camo Paint
3: Winch
4: better light setup (Hellas vs the ProCraps)
5: Roll Cage or Exo-Cage

and some random other things i can think of.... not to mention SLIDERS!

[Couch Slouch]

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:





http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/Picture095.jpg

Need some coils Roy?You can have them if you want.

[87BIIXLT4x4]

IS THAT A D35? WOOOHOOO!


what are the coils off of ? and how long are they...

[79F150]

:awesome_dude:

[87BIIXLT4x4]

dammit i hate when he does that....



post's them vanishes..... GET YA ASS BACK HERE DAMMIT! I WANT MORE INFO!

[Blanco]

dammit i hate when he does that....



post's them vanishes..... GET YA ASS BACK HERE DAMMIT! I WANT MORE INFO!
:20: :wiggle tongue:

[Couch Slouch]

The coils came from a 4x explorer.Ill have to measure them later.

D35 was $145 from the JY.Not too bad.Last time i was there they wanted $195?I think it depends on whos working that day.
Anyways i wasnt even there looking for one but when i saw it i had to take it.
First one ive seen for about 3-4 months.

Gonna be awhile before i put it in though,it needs pads,roters,and hubs.I dont think im gonna have the money to get that stuff for awhile so ill probably just clean it up and let it sit for a month or two.

[Blanco]

Well, Not gonna spend any more money on it except for maintence and maybe paint the fenders.
:rolleyes: :14:

[87BIIXLT4x4]

what year xploder?

and if it came off an xploder.. i will take the coils... find out the Shipping and i will mail u a MO As Soon As I Can....



what gears are in it? and u might want to get teh Warn Jeep Dana 30 Hubs.. a bit strong than the Dana 35 Hubs

[Couch Slouch]

I know Cam i thought of that when i found it.This and the 4:56 is gonna be it for awhile.I need to save some cash for other stuff.(house)

[Couch Slouch]

what year xploder?
Not sure on exact year.It was a four door 91-94 4x4 explorer.Still had the rear leafs and axle too.

[87BIIXLT4x4]

u shoulda grabbed the rear leafs... lol

[Blanco]

u shoulda grabbed the rear leafs... lol
Go buy some flexy Deavers or something like that...:m2c:
Then again Exploder leafs would be cheaper.

[Couch Slouch]

Heres some pics of what i did today.Im being lazy so i might call it quits and finish tommorrow.The new driveshaft requires that the pinion yoke angle be changed.So i have to cut off the old perchs and shock mounts andweld new ones on again.Didnt i just do this like a month ago???
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/Picture093.jpg


You can see the difference here.The stock shaft sucks!!!
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/Picture096.jpg

[Couch Slouch]

Heres the new shaft installed.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/Picture097.jpg

Now i have another problem...Clutch is toast...truck is undriveable.Carpooled to work today and tommorrow.This weekend tranny gets dropped and clutch replaced...So my weekend is pretty much done with.

Im pretty sure the clutch went from running 33"s with the stock gearing so im ordering the 4:56 with install kit tommorrow.Hopefully get it middle of next week and stuff them in next weekend.So no wheeling for two weeks!:(

[Couch Slouch]

Some random pics from my sucky weekend.Got a full day in and probably another 4-6 hours tommorrow.
The BW 1350 T-case
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/Picture106.jpg
Mitsubishi 5-speed with the unholy internal slave cylinder.Internal s-c is dumb...
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/Picture107.jpg
New/old
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/Picture108.jpg
Cracks...Fortunatly flywheel seemed good.I would have definitly had it resurfaced but every shop was closed and i need this done by sunday night so i reused it.
If it bites me in the ass later im gonna swap in a C4 or C5.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/Picture109.jpg
New clutch installed.Looks pretty dont it?
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/Picture110.jpg

[87BIIXLT4x4]

C5 swap not C4 .. youll hate your self if u do the C4..

and why did u decide to remove the M50d in the first place?

[Couch Slouch]

Thats the stock tranny.I know its made by mitsubishi but not sure what its called.I know my f-150 has a M5od and its much larger.That same trans wouldnt fit in a BII.

[87BIIXLT4x4]

stock trannys for the BII for 5spd is ...... M50D and FM146 ... if thats not the m50d than its a FM146

[Couch Slouch]

Well i finished the job a couple hours ago.Wow what a difference!The new clutch grabs like no other...I guess i forgot what it feels like but its like a tottaly different vehicle.Im glad that its done....Major PITA.

I estimate it took me about 16 hours to do it.The hardest part believe it or not was bleeding the slave cylinder.That also includes trips to the parts store and taking a break here and there for dinner or a beer and i had no help.

[Blanco]

:awesome_dude: Now you'll be getting the full potential of this stock set up..

[Couch Slouch]

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/Picture111.jpg

[Couch Slouch]

4:56 gears.Should move my 33"s nicely.Look for some install pics soon.My first time doing it so it will be extra fun.

[87BIIXLT4x4]

any word on those springs yet? i never got a PM bak

[Couch Slouch]

Sorry man i took them off the beams but i never got around to the shipping place.I also lost youre addresse.PM me youre addy and ill find out the shipping cost tommorrow.

[chupakabras]

4.56 will move very easy those 33", you can burn your tires on asphalt if you want, pretty easy, well, maybe you will burn some clutch in the process :rofl:

[Couch Slouch]

4.56 will move very easy those 33", you can burn your tires on asphalt if you want, pretty easy, well, maybe you will burn some clutch in the process :rofl:
**** man im gonna take it easy!I dont wanna burn the clutch up again!!!Im going to look into a C4 or C5.Maybe a 4.0 too...only time will tell.

BTW...You never showed us pics of youre race BII.Id like to see that!:cheers:

[chupakabras]

your right, the problem was, that my brother had a portafolio with a lot of pictures of that b2 and the actual explorer, but, but, his truck was stolen, and he left the portfolio in the truck, so we lost all that stuff, but, he told me that a friend of us has another pictures, so, hope we can have some copies of those pictures and as soon as posible i will post them here, ok, so thks for asking... :cooool:

..ps, put a better clutch, not a stock one, , even if you don't plan to burn some tires.. :cheers:

[87BIIXLT4x4]

.... its called HEEL N TOE!

[chupakabras]

just some stupid question, haha, talking about c4 and c5, i haven't seen any c4 with a 4x4, it's that possible, i mean, to have a c4 with 4x4, you know, the regular automatic transmission that ford rangers , explorers or what ever has very poor performance when talking about off road racing, so, thats why i'm asking, it will be cool to be able to have a c4 and keeping all the 4x4 stuff in the truck... for a class 3, in score rule book, you have to be a 4x4, i wanna get rid of the manual trans.. ..

.. well, if u know something about it, let us know, thks..:cheers:

[Couch Slouch]

The only thing i know is that the C5 did come in some 4x4 bronco IIs.I know that a lot of people swap in the C4 for 7s rangers,but i think its usually behind a 4.0.When i find out some more info ill post it.

I wouldnt plan on doing this swap until this clutch wears out.Might as well get my moneys worth out of it.

[87BIIXLT4x4]

the C5 was in the 84 and 85 BII 4x4... the standard Auto Tranny for Rangers, BII's, and Explorers is the A4LD (exploders were 91-94, i dont what they used past 94 model) which is an ok tranny but is weak to an extent...

if i recall correctly u can mount a T-Case to a C4 using adapter plates..(best place to ask that would be at explorer4x4.com)

[Couch Slouch]

Yeah im sure it can be done fairly easily.

Heres the stuff i got for the gear install.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/Picture112.jpg

Now im faced with a pretty tough decision.Should i just swap them in with the welded diff?Or should i wait until i get a spool or locker.I definitly do not want to do this twice.

[Blanco]

If your gonna get the Spool either way then wait...

But if your thinking, :humm_smilie: "if the weld job dont break I'm gonna leave it like this"

Then just go ahead & swap it to the Lincoln Locker...
It might not ever Break...:shrug:

[Couch Slouch]

I think i might wait.I just hope the clutch isnt going to wear down because of the stock gears.Thats my worst nightmare is changing the clutch again.

I noticed the LockRights are about $240.I thought all the lockers were $400 plus.So yes i may get that instead of a spool.Its only $40 more.Not really sure what i want to do.I only know that i dont want to do it twice!

[87BIIXLT4x4]

Stock Gears + Big Tires = Not A Happy Tranny nor Clutch

[Blanco]

Stock Gears + Big Tires = Not A Happy Tranny nor Clutch
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a324/martin_fierro/captain_obvious.jpg

[Couch Slouch]

I started collecting parts for my D35.The local store didnt have them all so i have to try a few places tommorrow.
I picked up
1.front brake pads
2.rear brake shoes
3.rotors
4.wheel seals. I also ordered a MOSER eng. spool for the 8.8,should be here tommorrow.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/Picture180.jpg
I still need wheel bearings and spindle nuts/washers,Warn hubs and balljoints.This little stuff altogether is costing a fortune so no cut/turned beams for awhile.

[Blanco]

This little stuff altogether is costing a fortune so no cut/turned beams for awhile.
exactly what I started thinking when I started to 1st read this post. :rolleyes:

[Couch Slouch]

This hobby is goddamn expensive...

On the bright side though,aside from my tranny my whole drivetrain is gonna be pretty much brand new.

[Blanco]

This hobby is goddamn expensive.
Damn right it is!

The additional axle & the tranfer case & then you go out & break stuff & up-grade it , ETC etc etc...

At times I think about just fixing up a nice car like my Mustang..:shrug:

Once its all fixed up you just polish it & try to get it dirty.

[Couch Slouch]

Damn right it is!

The additional axle & the tranfer case & then you go out & break stuff & up-grade it , ETC etc etc...

At times I think about just fixing up a nice car like my Mustang..:shrug:

Once its all fixed up you just polish it & try to get it dirty.
The secert is to buy a rig that is already built...I wish id thought of that before.Take a loan for $15,000 and get a truck that is done.Probably save about $10,000 just in small crap like this.

Regardless,the part hunt continues tommorrow...Also its very likely that im going to order the DUFF radius arms so...We may finally have some good pics for this thread.

[Blanco]

Why do you keep putting off the Cut & Bent job ?
git 'er done already then order more parts. :rolleyes:

[87BIIXLT4x4]

Why do you keep putting off the Cut & Bent job ?
git 'er done already then order more parts. :rolleyes:



he keeps putting it off cause he dont want to go to the post office and send me my dam springs so i can swap them out!

[crawler]

Dang man looking good. You gonna be at Lucerne this weekend for the MDR race. I'm thinking of going

[Couch Slouch]

Roy i sent the springs today!They should be there on tuesday.Sorry it took so long i hate going to FEDex.

Crawler im gonna be out there saturday night because i have to work.If you are there we should meet up.

[Couch Slouch]

Why do you keep putting off the Cut & Bent job ?
git 'er done already then order more parts. :rolleyes:
I know...its just a pain in the ass for me to get to Ramona lately.And i do need this stuff anyways to use the beams so...
You think i could temporarily use the stock radius arms with C/T beams?If i can then i,ll see about calling Rod next week.

[Blanco]

You think i could temporarily use the stock radius arms with C/T beams?
I dont know,:humm_smilie: I would Imagine yes....
But you should ask rod..
I dont see why not .....

What I fear is if you install the D35 before the C&T then you wont do it because you wont wanna pull the front end apart again!

So Go & Git 'er done! :079[1]:

[Couch Slouch]

Got my spool from Moser today...This thing is stout!I dont suspect i would ever be able to break this thing.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/Picture181.jpg

[Blanco]

So how long before your ready to Wheel :6:
Cause I was hoping you be able to join RocZuk & I in about two sat's from now in a Test day...

He's gonna test his whole rig for many possible weak points ( If any ) & I wanna test my New gears & I know you have lot's to test off road as well. :cheers:

Were not sure where we're going yet but I thought I invite you. :cheers:

& to the rest of the SoCal WebWheelers Its not a set date ...
& at this point its not for sure RokZuk Or Slouch will even be ready .
so thats why its not a Public official posting.

[Couch Slouch]

So how long before your ready to Wheel :6:
Cause I was hoping you be able to join RocZuk & I in about two sat's from now in a Test day...

He's gonna test his whole rig for many possible weak points ( If any ) & I wanna test my New gears & I know you have lot's to test off road as well. :cheers:

Were not sure where we're going yet but I thought I invite you. :cheers:

& to the rest of the SoCal WebWheelers Its not a set date ...
& at this point its not for sure RokZuk Or Slouch will even be ready .
so thats why its not a Public official posting.
You know im dying to get out.

Rear gears will be installed this weekend.I had forgotten to order the c-clip elim. kit so it should be here tommorrow.I kinda got lazy and decided to have a shop do it.
So that whole deal is done.

My only issue now is the front.I just dropped $200 on wheel bearings and spindle nuts.

I only need -

4:56 gears for the front
and some warn hubs...Thats it!!!And im going to order them tommorrow!
So i'll be ready soon....And Cam im gonna wait on the C/t.Dont give me **** man i need to get out.So yeah i'll go.

[Blanco]

Cam im gonna wait on the C/t.Dont give me **** man i need to get out.So yeah i'll go.
So in other words your not gonna ever do it! :4:
Your not gonna wanna take it back out again once it all in & working ...:jerkit:

[Couch Slouch]

Oh i knew this was coming...Will you feel better if i told you i worked on my f-150 the last couple days?Im gonna start mounting the bedsides next week too.Will finally be able to drive it again,but still wont de dirt worthy until i finish the cage...

[Blanco]

Maybe I could arange something between you & I or Rodd to get you to do the C&T before you put that front end in?

& yes get that F150 going so we can hit the Fast Trails! :3gears:

[Couch Slouch]

You see here is the problem...If i get the beams,then i need the 5.5 coils.If i get the coils,then i need new shocks and most likely im gonna need new radius arms and tranny crossmember...

This is all about $2000 which i dont have...I've already spent over half that much on my front and rear...So you can see whats going on here.

So really im going about this the right way...Drivetrain first.Then i'll get the suspension.

[87BIIXLT4x4]

dont have to C/T it if its going to be strickly a DD and Trail Slut... C/T is good if u need alot of extra wheel travel, but at that point u dont really need it.... lifted the way youre (as long as u got the correct Drop Brackets, and Rad Arms) u should be fine for wheel clearence....


although C/T is a + u can always do it later down the road my .02

[Blanco]

although C/T is a + u can always do it later down the road my .02
Thats my point I know the Man he wont do it later!
I would'nt either ...
It sounds like it will cost to much http://bestsmileys.com/talking/1.gif

[Couch Slouch]

Thats my point I know the Man he wont do it later!
I would'nt either ...
It sounds like it will cost to much http://bestsmileys.com/talking/1.gif
Cam you are missing the point!I cant just run C/T beams by themselves.I would need to spend a whole boatload of cash for new coils and shocks,radius arms blah blah.

The C/T beams are made for the 5.5 coil...Snowball bigtime...

And everything i bought lately i would need before i installed the beams anyways...Rotors,bearings,gears blah.
You are looking at this the wrong way.If i put the C/T beams on now my tires would look like this / \

Trust me i am doing this the right way and am not cutting corners...

[Blanco]

:76:

[Couch Slouch]

:cheers: Fawk :cheers:

[Blanco]

Its just that I hate to see another typical standard super lift. :rolleyes:
I dont know of too many C&T BII's & I want to brag about it. :cheers:

[chupakabras]

hi guys, found a picture of our early bII, just want it to share.. see yaaa:cheers:

[Blanco]

hi guys, found a picture of our early bII, just want it to share.. see yaaa:cheers:
:awesome_dude: A race BII!

[87BIIXLT4x4]

nice.. u should race another..!

[Couch Slouch]

That is cool.Looks like fun chupakrabras.

[Couch Slouch]

Passenger side beam disassembled.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/misc1001.jpg
Cleaned all the rust off the spindle and painted it.Not needed but i was kinda bored.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/misc1002.jpg

[87BIIXLT4x4]

lookin good....



are u going to put Chromoly Shafts in there?

[Couch Slouch]

Nope no chrome-oly shafts but heres my Moser c- clip eliminator kit...
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/misc1.jpg

[Blanco]

Excuse my ignorance but what exactly does a c-clip eliminator kit do?
Beside the obvious eliminate the c-clips.

What advantages are there? :6:

& when is it you'll have the rear gears in & you driving it around to see if the gears helped compensate for you lincoln locker?

[Couch Slouch]

Excuse my ignorance but what exactly does a c-clip eliminator kit do?
Beside the obvious eliminate the c-clips.

What advantages are there? :6:

& when is it you'll have the rear gears in & you driving it around to see if the gears helped compensate for you lincoln locker?
You've got some good questions there...

The advantage is when you break a shaft the tire,wheel and shaft wont just slide out leaving you stranded.

On the other hand,i dont know how the fawk it does this!!!Im trying to figure it out right now!

What i can tell you is the billit peices you see replace the axle bearings and seals.They bolt to the outer flange on the axle housing.And they must be pressed on the axle just like any othr bearing.Other than that...I dont know how they work???

[Couch Slouch]

Actually its funny i get it now i just had to type it out and read it myself.

[87BIIXLT4x4]

C Clip Eliminator

" the purpose here is to eliminate the need to pull off the drivers side tire, spindle, axle and the entire carrier from the vehicle. This must be done with the stock set up to be able to access the axle "C" clip. simply replace the axle "C" clip with a spring placed in the axle slip yoke on the, passengers side"

hopefully this answers Cams QUestion



also ChouchSlouch dont Forgett to read D35 Upgrades w/ D44 Parts (http://thewebwheeler.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84&highlight=Upgrade) that i posted a while back, it will be worth it later on in the long run...

[Blanco]

C Clip Eliminator
hopefully this answers Cams QUestion
I thought I understood when Slouch posted his reply, But you just confused me again. :6:

[Couch Slouch]

I thought I understood when Slouch posted his reply, But you just confused me again. :6:
ya that confused me too..I think that qoute is a diff part or somethin'....no springs here...

[Couch Slouch]

Well Cam you were right!With the new gears the spool is almost nonexistent now!Im happy because i was definitly getting sick of the constant chirping.

[Blanco]

Well Cam you were right!With the new gears the spool is almost nonexistent now!Im happy because i was definitly getting sick of the constant chirping.
:awesome_dude: Glad to hear it. I'm very close to buying one my self. :humm_smilie:

[Couch Slouch]

The spare tire mount is ripping of my door so im gonna ditch the rear seat and mount the spare in the back.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/misc1073.jpg

[87BIIXLT4x4]

its the weight of the oversixed tire sitting on the Hatch mount alone... re-enforce your Tire Swing, and their should be no problem of that happening.. but its mainly from the bouncy bouncy of the oversized tires...


that arear is the most common place to start cracking/breaking on the rear hatch of the BII...

[Couch Slouch]

its the weight of the oversixed tire sitting on the Hatch mount alone... re-enforce your Tire Swing, and their should be no problem of that happening.. but its mainly from the bouncy bouncy of the oversized tires...


that arear is the most common place to start cracking/breaking on the rear hatch of the BII...
The rear hatch is made out of fiberglass,no amount of reinforcing is gonna save it in the whoops....Also that was with a 30" tire,i still dont have a full size spare.Yeah i beat the truck real hard last weekend.

If i reinforced the swinger it would be fine for trails,but i dont think anything will save it in the desert...

[Blanco]

I figured that was gonna happen to mine so that why I moved the tire inside on Blanco. :m2c:

[Joel H]

wow

Alot of mis info here. But it looks like your on the right track now. If you need any answers I'm a plethera of usefull and useless B2 info.

BTW your rear gears on the explorer 8.8 are 3.27 and it's open not a L/S. As you know already. Check your Front D35 for gear ratio. If you don't know there should be a stamping on the ring gear Should have numbers 36 11 (Something along that line). That would mean you have 3.27 matching. 41 11 is a 3.73. and a 39 11( not 100% positive with this one either) would be 3.55.

How you wheeled it this long with miss matched gears is beyond me. Your front ratio in your D28 is most likely 3.45.

[Couch Slouch]

The 8.8 has 4.56 now.Im going to match the D35 when i install it.

I did use 4Wd once for about 2 seconds when i got stuck,but thats it.No more 4x until i install the new stuff.

[Joel H]

The 8.8 has 4.56 now.Im going to match the D35 when i install it.

I did use 4Wd once for about 2 seconds when i got stuck,but thats it.No more 4x until i install the new stuff.


:cheers:

[crawler]

The 8.8 has 4.56 now.Im going to match the D35 when i install it.

I did use 4Wd once for about 2 seconds when i got stuck,but thats it.No more 4x until i install the new stuff.

I had to deal with that for 2 months. I now have torn up rear tires because of it

[Couch Slouch]

Camburg C/T beams!:cheers:

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/misc1037.jpg

I got them used for a good price.Hopefully i'll have some time to install soon.

[Blanco]

:spaz_smilie: A Cut & turned D35 TTB'ed BII! :awesome_dude:

I cant wait to see this in person after its done!

[crawler]

Cool dude. That should be a sweet set up

[Manny]

I agree crawler looks pretty sweet any engine pics?? Since you are throwing in a new one.

[Couch Slouch]

Thanks guys.

Multi tasking.Working on the F-1 and the BII at the same time.:HistericalSmiley:
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/misc1128.jpg
Passenger side beam assembled with new rotors,seals,wheel bearings and spindle nuts.I still need to rebuild the calipers and get some locking hubs.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/misc1129.jpg

[Badtodabone]

LOOKS PRETTY GOOD!! Are you gonne run discs in the rear?

[crawler]

Nice looking beams there. The F1 is also looking pretty sick

[Couch Slouch]

Thanks guys....Here is what im doing now.

I already started tearing out the front suspension.Gonna have my new beams mounted by tommorrow.

Also,i think i might postpone the 4.0 for a bit.All i really need to do is pull the tranny to replace a freeze plug in the block so right now it will be cheaper just to fix it.I already miss driving this thing.

Oh, and the rear disc's will have to wait a bit.I got my hands full enough right now with these trucks.

[Couch Slouch]

So i was making progress but i broke a socket so i'll have to wait until tommorrow to finnish.

D28 coming out...
Ya i know it's a mess,my garage is really small and i got a ton of crap in there!
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/misc1130.jpg?t=1163837021

New D35 beams going in.:)
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/misc1131.jpg?t=1163837055

I still need radius arms,shocks,springs,locking hubs and to pull the tranny and change the freeze plug...

I'm not certain the motor is still good yet...The oil looks fine...But it overheated enough to catch on fire so i just dont know yet.

If this sh*t dont run good after changing the plug then i promise 4.0.:)

[87BIIXLT4x4]

what gears are in the pig of the D28? hopefully your putting the Drag Link Assembly that game with the D35 in there w/ the D35, i dunno if the D28 Drag Link will fit


why do a 4.0? u got that BKO sitting out there ....... or transplant a 5,0

[Blanco]

Here see if these resized Pics work in your sig...:6:

& it seems Photobucket dont let you post the pics in your thread there comming out as links? :humm_smilie:

I'm wondering if the pics in your sig is a PhotoBucket issue?
Just like the Pics you tried to post?

[87BIIXLT4x4]

he copyed the urls and not the img tags

[Couch Slouch]

Well i got the Eibach 5.5 coils and a race radio.Race radio is just for listening now,but my friend is gonna start racing next season so it'll get more use then.

Im gonna order some Warn hubs tommorrow.

[Couch Slouch]

I gusseted and sleeved the tie rods today.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/misc1002-1.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/DAMAGEI/87%20Bronco%20II/misc1003.jpg

[Blanco]

I see your putting some thought into this Huh! :awesome_dude:

& BTW what are you still doing at home? :6:

[Couch Slouch]

I see your putting some thought into this Huh! :awesome_dude:

& BTW what are you still doing at home? :6:

Im leaving early tommorrow morning.Bummer dood you aint gonna make it.We'll camp with my cousin in law who is pitting for the McCallums class 1 and a 5/1600.Im def gonna keep an eye out for Crawler.And i will for sure get pics.:)

[Blanco]

Damn it , The dealership is doing like this smilely. :6:

So they wont get back to it until Tuesday.. :bangdesk:

This is so typical when you go the cheap route..
Its probably going cost me more then going the high dollar route! http://bestsmileys.com/computer1/18.gif

Looking forward to your Pics. http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/16.gif

[Couch Slouch]

Damn it , The dealership is doing like this smilely. :6:

So they wont get back to it until Tuesday.. :bangdesk:

This is so typical when you go the cheap route..
Its probably going cost me more then going the high dollar route! http://bestsmileys.com/computer1/18.gif

Looking forward to your Pics. http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/16.gif

Not talking **** here but i bet you wouldnt have a problem if you went to Culhane....just sayin...

[Blanco]

Not talking **** here but i bet you wouldnt have a problem if you went to Culhane....just sayin...

Probably not because it would of all been done by one shop! :bangdesk:

But I had one guy rebuild the trans & another do the R&R & etc.....

If this was all done by one shop they'ed have to have it solved before they gave it back to me. :verymad:

[bobbywalter]

who do you know that races off road with those c clip eliminators in a 8.8?

how are they holding up?

[Couch Slouch]

who do you know that races off road with those c clip eliminators in a 8.8?

how are they holding up?

Actually i still have the diff welded,still using the c-clips.

What happened was the c-elim kit SUMMITT sent me was for a 28 spline axle so i returned them.I looked around for a 31-spline set and nobody had them.

As far as i know racers using the 8.8 will weld 9" ends on the housing and use 9" shafts.But after all that work you may as well just build a 9" in the first place!

I inspected the welds a couple months ago and everything looked good,but ya never know how long it will last.A few of my buddies have blown their W/D in the past.

[bobbywalter]

the only end i would weld on to my 8.8 would be a flange to bolt on a d 60 spindle.

full float 8.8 31 spline with a set of moly axles and good full carrier locker or welded diff is one tough customer. do a truss and tube to case weld of course....also quite a bit more useful then a semi float when your far from help.


the c clip setup you showed if its unchanged from the 90's i would never recommend for dirt work. i seen alot of mustangs lose them here in detroit (not for radical do-nuts) so i wonder why they even sell them still.

no way an asshole like me could safely trail ride with em, i get a lil too retarded with the small block on occasion. i was hoping they were improved or something and were the new hot ticket. after all it is easier and cheaper then doing any cut and weld job or floater conversion.

[Couch Slouch]

the only end i would weld on to my 8.8 would be a flange to bolt on a d 60 spindle.

full float 8.8 31 spline with a set of moly axles and good full carrier locker or welded diff is one tough customer. do a truss and tube to case weld of course....also quite a bit more useful then a semi float when your far from help.


the c clip setup you showed if its unchanged from the 90's i would never recommend for dirt work. i seen alot of mustangs lose them here in detroit (not for radical do-nuts) so i wonder why they even sell them still.

no way an asshole like me could safely trail ride with em, i get a lil too retarded with the small block on occasion. i was hoping they were improved or something and were the new hot ticket. after all it is easier and cheaper then doing any cut and weld job or floater conversion.

No sadly they havent changed at all... When i bought them i didnt know of the problems they had with side loads.But i got a full refund and i agree i would not run them in anything in the future.

[chupakabras]

just found these pictures and want it to share with you..
as you can see on those pictures, sometimes we ran as class 3 sportsman, not pro, basically its cheap, and no reason to enter as pro. right, so, here they are.. :roflsign:

[chupakabras]

i really don't know if i'm on the right thread, but, well, here is what we have done to our ttb, ...

[Blanco]

:kewlpics: :cheers:

So :awesome_dude: to see Race BII's

[Couch Slouch]

Thanks Chupa....Great pics im gonna save them for future reference.:)

[bobbywalter]

CHUP...i am gankin some pics for a trs thread...

http://www.therangerstation.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=59767&st=0&gopid=502473&#entry502473


i hope that ok

[chupakabras]

:cooool: no problem at all, i have some other pictures that could help for that thread., let me find them. :cheers: